From counselors at lists.onenet.net Thu May 18 09:19:19 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 14:19:19 +0000 Subject: [Counselors] Driving certificate for students on IEP Message-ID: As the school year comes to an end, students are coming in for their Driving Certificate. I have some students on an IEP who are not proficient at an 8th grade level. How do other schools address this for the Driving Certificate? Is there any other documentation to attach?? Thank you!! Kerri Perry Bridge Creek Middle School -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Mon May 22 08:24:40 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 13:24:40 +0000 Subject: [Counselors] Driving certificate for students on IEP In-Reply-To: <02d4c8bf59b24756ad4e5edb123ea24a@Webmail.nobleps.com> References: <02d4c8bf59b24756ad4e5edb123ea24a@Webmail.nobleps.com> Message-ID: I am attaching a letter I use for my IEP students not passing the 8th grade reading test. I sign and stamp the first paragraph about attending school and then let the student’s Sp. Ed. teacher of record sign the second part if they have the needed information to justify the student showing improvement. Amy Russell Amy Russell arussell at nobleps.com We give the parent a letter to take to the DMV that is dated and signed by the student and principal. It states: "The student listed below is working to his/her maximum potential and does have an IEP in place. He/She has supports and accommodations provided on a daily basis within our school system." We put this on letterhead and give it to the parent, not the DMV. Hope that helps. At all the schools that I have been counselor, we just mark them that they passed without attaching any documentation. Kay Gilchrist Counselor Deer Creek- Lamont Public Schools If it is written in the IEP that they meet x, versus CRT score, you are good. From: Counselors [mailto:counselors-bounces at lists.onenet.net] On Behalf Of OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:19 AM To: counselors at lists.onenet.net Subject: [Counselors] Driving certificate for students on IEP As the school year comes to an end, students are coming in for their Driving Certificate. I have some students on an IEP who are not proficient at an 8th grade level. How do other schools address this for the Driving Certificate? Is there any other documentation to attach?? Thank you!! Kerri Perry Bridge Creek Middle School -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Reading Prof Letter.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 21340 bytes Desc: Reading Prof Letter.docx URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Mon May 22 16:22:55 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 21:22:55 +0000 Subject: [Counselors] Driving certificate for students on IEP In-Reply-To: References: <02d4c8bf59b24756ad4e5edb123ea24a@Webmail.nobleps.com> Message-ID: http://sde.ok.gov/sde/sites/ok.gov.sde/files/2015%20%20LAW%20BOOK%20FINAL%20%282%29.pdf Section 1146. Proof of Reading Proficiency for Drivers License. beginning on page 686 on the OSDE School Law Book: On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Kerri Perry > wrote: I found the legal documentation. This is how it is written: 70-1210.515. �70-1210.515. A. Pursuant to the provisions of paragraph 2 of subsection A of Section 6-107.3 of Title 47 of the Oklahoma Statutes, any person under the age of eighteen (18) years wishing to apply for a driver license or permit shall successfully demonstrate a satisfactory reading ability at the eighth-grade reading level by meeting the following criteria: 1. A student enrolled in a public school shall successfully complete the reading portion of the state criterion-referenced test offered in the eighth grade. Following the administration of this test in the eighth grade, any student not successfully completing the reading portion shall be assigned a plan of remedial reading. The student may either retake the reading portion of the state criterion-referenced test upon its administration the following year, or take an alternative reading proficiency test in order to satisfy the criteria for a driver license or permit. Alternative reading proficiency tests shall be approved by the State Department of Education. Subsequent successful completion of an alternative reading proficiency test shall serve to satisfy any test retaking requirement which may be required for the reading portion of the state criterion-referenced test in the eighth grade in the Oklahoma School Testing Program. School districts shall notify, in writing, each student who takes the reading portion of the state criterion-referenced test for the eighth grade or who takes an alternative reading proficiency test and the student's parent or legal guardian of the test results. If the student fails to perform satisfactorily on the test, the notice shall inform the student of the reading proficiency driver license requirement and the school's remediation plan for the student. Upon the student's successful completion of the test, the school shall furnish the student with the documentation needed for the driver license application in Oklahoma; 2. Unless alternatively documented according to the provisions of subsection C of this section, students under the age of eighteen (18) years shall successfully complete a reading proficiency test approved by the State Department of Education; and 3. Any student who wishes to apply for a restricted license to operate a motorcycle may take an alternative reading proficiency test, subject to the provisions of this section. B. Alternative reading proficiency tests shall be offered by testing sites, which shall include the public schools at least four (4) times per calendar year, and may include any of the following which chose to participate, the area vocational-technical school districts, Regional Education Service Centers, colleges, accredited private schools, and other sites approved by the State Department of Education. A student may take the test as often as wished, subject to the provisions of this section. Testing sites shall provide the first alternative reading proficiency test for each student at no cost to the student. Students may be assessed a fee not to exceed Twenty-five Dollars ($25.00) by the testing site for each subsequent alternative reading proficiency test taken. C. A school district shall provide for alternative documentation of reading proficiency for the purposes of paragraph 2 of subsection A of Section 6-107.3 of Title 47 of the Oklahoma Statutes for any student with an individualized education plan. The alternative documentation shall be furnished to such student who is performing satisfactorily in reading pursuant to the student's individualized education plan. Parents of disabled students educated pursuant to the provisions of Section 4 of Article XIII of the Oklahoma Constitution may satisfy the requirement of paragraph 2 of subsection A of Section 6-107.3 of Title 47 of the Oklahoma Statutes by signing an affidavit that, based upon their best information and belief, their child would qualify for an individualized education plan if enrolled in public school, and that in their judgment their child is performing satisfactorily in reading and is therefore academically qualified to satisfy the requirement of paragraph 2 of subsection A of Section 6-107.3 of Title 47 of the Oklahoma Statutes. [Previous] [Next] On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 8:24 AM, OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board > wrote: I am attaching a letter I use for my IEP students not passing the 8th grade reading test. I sign and stamp the first paragraph about attending school and then let the student’s Sp. Ed. teacher of record sign the second part if they have the needed information to justify the student showing improvement. Amy Russell Amy Russell arussell at nobleps.com We give the parent a letter to take to the DMV that is dated and signed by the student and principal. It states: "The student listed below is working to his/her maximum potential and does have an IEP in place. He/She has supports and accommodations provided on a daily basis within our school system." We put this on letterhead and give it to the parent, not the DMV. Hope that helps. At all the schools that I have been counselor, we just mark them that they passed without attaching any documentation. Kay Gilchrist Counselor Deer Creek- Lamont Public Schools If it is written in the IEP that they meet x, versus CRT score, you are good. From: Counselors [mailto:counselors-bounces at lists.onenet.net] On Behalf Of OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:19 AM To: counselors at lists.onenet.net Subject: [Counselors] Driving certificate for students on IEP As the school year comes to an end, students are coming in for their Driving Certificate. I have some students on an IEP who are not proficient at an 8th grade level. How do other schools address this for the Driving Certificate? Is there any other documentation to attach?? Thank you!! Kerri Perry Bridge Creek Middle School _______________________________________________ Counselors mailing list Counselors at lists.onenet.net https://lists.onenet.net/mailman/listinfo/counselors -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One Counselor to 400 students. Yes I do - 5A Yes and we're a 6A school Yes, Shawnee High School counselors do 504's. 1100 students total, 5A I don't at my present school. Our Sped teacher does it. I am in a small rural school of less than 200. I did at my former two schools. One was a 3rd & 4th grade school in a system of about 3000 (my school had 400 students). The other school that I did the 504's was a very small rural school of less than 100 students. Kay Gilchrist Counselor Deer Creek- Lamont Schools I am not a high school counselor, I am a middle school counselor 7-8 only; we have 1704 students. We have 3 counselors and split the 504s according to our assigned alphabet. I do not recommend it. They are very time consuming; so it makes it challenging and stressful juggling all the other counseling duties. Yes. Actually I am named Director of 504, but the Special Education people handle everything but the meeting with parents and signing the documents they create in EdPlan. I don't really have a clue myself but I have found that special ed people don't want to handle it either. Tiny school, Class B, I think Question: Do you, the high school counselor, handle the 504's in your school(s) and, if so, what size school? THANK YOU! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Wed May 24 08:35:31 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 13:35:31 +0000 Subject: [Counselors] 504's Message-ID: The counselors at my school handle 504's. Counselors in our district have been specifically reminded numerous times that the Special Ed person is NOT to be in charge of 504's. 504's are not part of special education. Special Ed. handles IEP's, but not 504's. Jennifer Sack | Counselor Tulsa Public Schools, Booker T. Washington High School 1514 E. Zion St, Room 319, Tulsa, OK 74106 T: 918-925-1004 sackje at tulsaschools.org www.tulsaschools.org Counselors in each building handle all 504's. 4A school Yes I will take care of the 504's. I am in a rural 2A school for 6-12. Middle school counselor. I handle all 504's. 450 students I have a school with 530 students! I hate doing it but the special ed teacher helps me with the paperwork. Probably my biggest complaint! Yes & 5A One counselor handles our 504"s. We are a 5A school with about 1100 students. Next year, we are considering dividing the 504"s among all the counselors. I don't at my present school. Our Sped teacher does it. I am in a small rural school with 700 students.. I am the only counselor at my school. I have three sites that I RUN between Elementary Middle School and High School. "Happiness begins where selfishness ends." John Wooden Anna Marie Perdue Wellston School Counselor aperdue at wellstonschools.org 405-356-2533 Our special education director handles all our 504's school wide. We have 300 students in 9-12 grade. Around 1000 school wide. Mattie McClenny, Counselor Hugo High School Yes the counselors handle them here. I am at Fort Gibson High School. We are a 4A high school. Yes the counselor handles the 504's. One Counselor to 400 students. Yes I do - 5A Yes and we're a 6A school Yes, Shawnee High School counselors do 504's. 1100 students total, 5A I don't at my present school. Our Sped teacher does it. I am in a small rural school of less than 200. I did at my former two schools. One was a 3rd & 4th grade school in a system of about 3000 (my school had 400 students). The other school that I did the 504's was a very small rural school of less than 100 students. Kay Gilchrist Counselor Deer Creek- Lamont Schools I am not a high school counselor, I am a middle school counselor 7-8 only; we have 1704 students. We have 3 counselors and split the 504s according to our assigned alphabet. I do not recommend it. They are very time consuming; so it makes it challenging and stressful juggling all the other counseling duties. Yes. Actually I am named Director of 504, but the Special Education people handle everything but the meeting with parents and signing the documents they create in EdPlan. I don't really have a clue myself but I have found that special ed people don't want to handle it either. Tiny school, Class B, I think Question: Do you, the high school counselor, handle the 504's in your school(s) and, if so, what size school? THANK YOU! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Wed May 24 13:47:38 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:47:38 +0000 Subject: [Counselors] concurrent/AP policies Message-ID: We would like to write policy on adding weighted GPA to our handbook for concurrent and/or AP courses. Would some please share their policies? Also, I would like to look at some other school policies on attending concurrent. Thank you, Kathy Golay School Counselor/ District Test Coordinator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Wed May 24 13:50:42 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:50:42 +0000 Subject: [Counselors] Weighted GPA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This circulated on the discussion board back in December about weighted GPA. We do not weight concurrent and we do allow students to take concurrent whenever they can work it in. We also track eligibility. Owasso high school We encourage them to take anything they want that fits within the Regents guidelines of how many classes they can take. We let students take evening and online courses too. On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 5:32 PM OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board wrote: > On the subject of concurrent courses, does your high school let students take evening classes? Is that part of district decision? > *Kathy McCollough* > *High School Counselor* > *Chouteau High School* > *Phone: (918) 476-8334 ext. 201* > *Fax: (918) 476-1216* > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:14 AM, OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion > Board wrote: > > > > > > Our AP courses are weighted at 5. Our Pre-AP/Honors courses and concurrent courses are weighted at 4.5. > *Sally Randolph* > Counselor, A-J > *Skiatook High School* > Skiatook, OK > 918.396.1790 Ext 2409 <(918)%20396-1790> > *"Everybody can be great...because anybody can serve." -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.* > > > > We weight all Concurrent classes. They are 5.on a High School 4. scale. We only count them as electives unless they are curriculum checked for High School credit, and we keep the course synopses on file (such as Freshman Comp 1 in concurrent counting as Eng. IV in High School). We use all classes to figure GPA for graduation, so Concurrent students have several opportunities to raise their GPA. We pay the fees if students meet the requirements to receive a tuition fee waiver (grade point and/or ACT or SAT score qualifiers). > > > > At Navajo we weight classes if they are core, such as College algebra, biology, government, and American history. Some of the ones that we don't weight would be psychology, microcomputer applications, and speech . > > > > > We weight concurrent math/English/history/science classes if we offer an AP/PreAP equivalent. We give 1 honor point. We do not weight elective concurrent classes. > > > > *This is Wellston LOCAL POLICY*: We weight AP and concurrent classes. We also give 1 full Credit for college classes. The reason for this is because a junior can take English Comp I to cover English III and English Comp II to cover English IV. We also have begun a new college algebra class taught by our math teacher and this class is for the students that cannot make the 19 to take concurrent college algebra. This class will take the CLEP test in April at UCO. This kills two birds with one stone. 1. This keeps our seniors in a math class. (Both the math teacher and myself feel like this is VERY important!) > 2. Keeps our numbers for college remediation in math down! In AP Biology our students will take the AP exam and go to UCO to take the CLEP test in April. We are expecting great scores for these students. > *Anna Marie Perdue, M.Ed, LPC* > *Wellston School Counselor* > *aperdue at wellstonschools.org * > 405-356-2533 <(405)%20356-2533>> > > We do not give weighted credit for college classes, because we can't be sure the instructors have completed a AP conference or if the type of assignments are comparable to the AP classes. > Melissa Poole > High School Counselor > Tecumseh Public Schools > Email poolem at tecumseh.k12.ok.us > Phone: (405) 598-2113 > Fax: (405)598-0394 <(405)%20598-0394> > > We only weigh classes through class rank for AP/Dual courses. They have to take so many in order to graduate with honors. > > Carl Albert High School does not weight concurrent or dual classes. > > > > We weight all concurrent classes by .5 like a Pre-AP class in Mid-Del > > > We do not weight concurrent, because not all students can afford the fees associated with the classes. > > > > > Yes, we weight all college class -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Wed May 24 16:08:25 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 16:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Counselors] question Message-ID: Does anyone use Acellus? We use Odyssey and it is expensive, I have heard Acellus is cheaper..but wonder if it is a good option to use? Dana Norvell Frederick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Wed May 24 13:52:15 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:52:15 +0000 Subject: [Counselors] concurrent/AP policies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Attached is our dual enrollment policy explain weighting. Below is our weighting chart: Grade Regular Points Value Pre-AP/Concurrent Core Points Value AP Points Value A 4.0 4.5 5.0 B 3.0 3.5 4.0 C 2.0 2.5 3.0 D 1.0 1.0 1.0 F 0 0 0 Meagan Bryant Coordinator of College & Career Counseling Mid-Del Public Schools (405) 737-4461 ext. 1355 mbryant at mid-del.net This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. This message may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual(s) named. If you are not the named addressee, you should not disseminate, distribute, copy, or take any action in reliance on the contents due to these actions being prohibited. Also, you should contact the sender immediately and delete this e-mail from your system. From: Counselors [mailto:counselors-bounces at lists.onenet.net] On Behalf Of OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 1:48 PM To: counselors at lists.onenet.net Subject: [Counselors] concurrent/AP policies We would like to write policy on adding weighted GPA to our handbook for concurrent and/or AP courses. Would some please share their policies? Also, I would like to look at some other school policies on attending concurrent. Thank you, Kathy Golay School Counselor/ District Test Coordinator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We use Odyssey and it is expensive, I have heard > Acellus is cheaper..but wonder if it is a good option to use? > Dana Norvell > Frederick > > _______________________________________________ > Counselors mailing list > Counselors at lists.onenet.net > https://lists.onenet.net/mailman/listinfo/counselors > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Fri May 26 09:10:33 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 09:10:33 -0500 Subject: [Counselors] question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We use Edgenuity. Used to be called E2020. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 9:10 AM, OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board wrote: > Hi, Dana, > We use Wengage. Every school I've been in uses it, so I've never had to > deal with a different system. I like it, although some say others are more > user friendly. I know nothing about the price. > Hope you find something affordable and user friendly. > > Karee Patterson > KMS Counselor > > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 4:08 PM, OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion > Board wrote: > >> Does anyone use Acellus? We use Odyssey and it is expensive, I have heard >> Acellus is cheaper..but wonder if it is a good option to use? >> Dana Norvell >> Frederick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Counselors mailing list >> Counselors at lists.onenet.net >> https://lists.onenet.net/mailman/listinfo/counselors >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Counselors mailing list > Counselors at lists.onenet.net > https://lists.onenet.net/mailman/listinfo/counselors > -- Diana Burris Counselor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do not get any extra pay or stipends. When the teachers go home, which this year it was the 19th, I have to stay until the 31st. I am also expected to return August 1st and the teachers will not report this year until August 9th. I want to be fair to my district and fair to myself. Any responses will be appreciated! ALL NAMES AND SCHOOLS WILL BE REMOVED FOR THIS RESPONSE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Wed May 31 08:45:01 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 13:45:01 +0000 Subject: [Counselors] Counselor Salaries Message-ID: In our contract we have a specific # of days we work before and after teachers and are paid for those days only. We are interested in hearing how other districts do this because we've heard that some other districts do this as well as give a stipend on top of that. I make teacher pay plus years of experience. I work 5 days before and 5 days after the teachers. I do get paid for those 10 days. Good Luck You are working 10 months on a 9 month contract You are working for them for free for a month. We work the 10 month contract here too but get $3400 in addition to step for the extra months worked (5A school). I am not sure where the random number came from but I do know that it has not changed in 15 years regardless of experience. At my last school, 11 years ago, I received $5000 above step as counselor and was not required to stay a certain number of days nor come early, only enough to complete my tasks at the end of the year and before school started in August (Class A school.) I asked years ago at my previous school to be paid per day the extra days I was expected to be at school or I would not work or be available during summer. It was 20 days so they just decided to pay me another month, a 10 month contract, August 1-May31. My new school (as of five years ago) does something similar. I receive base master's pay plus one month's average, because of the extra days I come in. Hope this helps. I'm in exactly the same position. I thought last year I'd get the nerve to ask to be paid for the extra time I work before school begins and after it ends since I have to stay and teachers don't. However, I chickened out because I am thankful for the job but when my teacher friends are all camping and on vacation already I get a little grumpy about it. I am a Middle School counselor (550 students) who is paid according to the regular teacher's contract. My additional pay comes from working 5 days before and 5 days after the contract time. No additional pay for the counselor. I get teachers' pay plus extra for the extra days. Do you have to be assistant principal also? On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:08 PM OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board > wrote: Good afternoon, Currently, I have been debating on whether or not to negotiate my contract a little. I understand the state is in a budget crisis, but we have been very lucky to have gained almost 40 students last year and we will hold steady this year as well. This is a personal question, so I COMPLETELY understand if counselors do not wish to disclose how much extra above a teacher salary they make, but I only make years experience at a teacher based salary with my Master's. I do not get any extra pay or stipends. When the teachers go home, which this year it was the 19th, I have to stay until the 31st. I am also expected to return August 1st and the teachers will not report this year until August 9th. I want to be fair to my district and fair to myself. Any responses will be appreciated! ALL NAMES AND SCHOOLS WILL BE REMOVED FOR THIS RESPONSE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From counselors at lists.onenet.net Wed May 31 11:05:43 2017 From: counselors at lists.onenet.net (OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board) Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 16:05:43 +0000 Subject: [Counselors] Counselor Salaries In-Reply-To: <8DD76B7FB621AC409D7CE57771C3707360A97E81@Drake.osrhe.edu> References: <8DD76B7FB621AC409D7CE57771C3707360A97E81@Drake.osrhe.edu> Message-ID: We have a union to negotiate our salaries but we get paid for 196 days a year. Teachers get paid for 181 days. I would get your daily rate of pay and ask for those extra days you work. We do not get stipends either. But we get paid for during study hall $26.50 an hour or the rate that Title 1 pays teachers. If your health insurance isn’t included, ask for that instead of payment. Our annual salary is divided by 24 pays so we get paid 2 times a month.  Good luck! I am on a 12 month contract just like other administrators. They added two months pay to my annual salary, plus I get stipends for any extra duties I have (i.e. DTC, GT, administrator for MAS etc.). My base salary is figured by year’s exp with Master's. I've heard that some schools do year’s exp with Master's plus 5% like Ag teachers and others get. Good luck with your negotiations. My contract is 10 days before and 10 days after the teachers. I get paid 20% above what I would make in my district as a teacher with a Master’s. In our contract we have a specific # of days we work before and after teachers and are paid for those days only. We are interested in hearing how other districts do this because we've heard that some other districts do this as well as give a stipend on top of that. I make teacher pay plus years of experience. I work 5 days before and 5 days after the teachers. I do get paid for those 10 days. Good Luck You are working 10 months on a 9 month contract You are working for them for free for a month. We work the 10 month contract here too but get $3400 in addition to step for the extra months worked (5A school). I am not sure where the random number came from but I do know that it has not changed in 15 years regardless of experience. At my last school, 11 years ago, I received $5000 above step as counselor and was not required to stay a certain number of days nor come early, only enough to complete my tasks at the end of the year and before school started in August (Class A school.) I asked years ago at my previous school to be paid per day the extra days I was expected to be at school or I would not work or be available during summer. It was 20 days so they just decided to pay me another month, a 10 month contract, August 1-May31. My new school (as of five years ago) does something similar. I receive base master's pay plus one month's average, because of the extra days I come in. Hope this helps. I'm in exactly the same position. I thought last year I'd get the nerve to ask to be paid for the extra time I work before school begins and after it ends since I have to stay and teachers don't. However, I chickened out because I am thankful for the job but when my teacher friends are all camping and on vacation already I get a little grumpy about it. I am a Middle School counselor (550 students) who is paid according to the regular teacher’s contract. My additional pay comes from working 5 days before and 5 days after the contract time. No additional pay for the counselor. I get teachers’ pay plus extra for the extra days. Do you have to be assistant principal also? On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:08 PM OSRHE EPAS PK-12 Counselor Discussion Board > wrote: Good afternoon, Currently, I have been debating on whether or not to negotiate my contract a little. I understand the state is in a budget crisis, but we have been very lucky to have gained almost 40 students last year and we will hold steady this year as well. This is a personal question, so I COMPLETELY understand if counselors do not wish to disclose how much extra above a teacher salary they make, but I only make years experience at a teacher based salary with my Master’s. I do not get any extra pay or stipends. When the teachers go home, which this year it was the 19th, I have to stay until the 31st. I am also expected to return August 1st and the teachers will not report this year until August 9th. I want to be fair to my district and fair to myself. Any responses will be appreciated! ALL NAMES AND SCHOOLS WILL BE REMOVED FOR THIS RESPONSE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: