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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>Thank you Counselors for your responses! I have listed the responses I received below. I removed the names to protect the innocent! </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>J</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>If you want to add other comments to this for others to see or other questions you would like answers to, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>please reply to this e-mail</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>Thank you so much and have a great day! Lisa </span><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'>J</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#E46C0A;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif"'>I give them the scores, but they don't give them a grade!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Our teachers do not give a grade for test scores.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Yes, I have had the same request. However, NOT, for a grade. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>At our alternative school a list of student that have scored satisfactory or advanced is given to the teachers. The student and teacher decide whether a grade will be issued. Normally a grade of a "C" is issued for satisfactory and a "A/B" is issued for advanced since these tests show that the student have mastered this subject and is shows "competency" versus "seat time". Competency is what the students must show to pass a class while attending an alternative education program. However, at our high school the student cannot receive a grade for passing their EOI Test.!!! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We, the counselors, do not provide teachers with preliminary scores. I don’t know if anyone else does. I do know some of our teachers use the benchmark scores as grades.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D'>I have never heard of that….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, I do give the raw scores to those teachers teaching that subject. Some teachers give grades, some don’t. Some give as a daily grade, some as a test grade. Some curve the grades, some don’t. I will say that the students have been informed before they take the test that the teacher will give them some kind of grade for it…. We tend to think that students try a little harder… especially if they have already passed 4 of their 7. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>We do <b>not</b> at Stillwater JH<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif"'>It is my understanding that it is against policy to give a grade for EOI scores. It may just be against our BOE policy, but I would say it's against best practices anyway since the "cut score" changes every session. You can only guess what is "passing." Our test administrators do write down the students' preliminary scores, but only as a rough estimate for how many students may need remediation. Our scores are kept by the principal and are not given to the teachers. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>We give the teachers a list of preliminary scores, what they do with it is up to them. We’ve had teachers give bonus points (their score is the number of bonus points), we had a teacher buy dinner for the student who scored the highest in her class, but for the most part, our teachers just like to look at them to get a general idea of how the students did so when we get the actual score reports it’s not a shock.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>How we do it, is we have the students write their score on their authorization ticket and hand it back to the administrator before they leave the room. Then, the administrator writes it on the roll sheet for the testing group.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>No, we do not give a grade for the test score.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>grades for a preliminary score on a state test? NO WAY!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>All students write down the preliminary scores from the test. Several teachers want to see them and some do not care. We allow teachers to see the preliminary scores. I do not know anything about grades for the EOI tests.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>At our school, we let the teachers know the raw score, and what they do with that is up to them. If it is high enough, some teachers here will use it in place of the final test and give the students an A for the grade, while the rest of the students will still have to take the semester test. Sometimes the teachers use it as a cut-off score for a pizza party or something similar. So really, we only use (if at all) in a positive way, never to give a bad or failing grade.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Do you mean the teachers give the students a class grade that is averaged in with their other grades for the semester, based on how they do on the CRTs or EOIs? Anyway, no we don’t do that. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>A student’s grade in the classroom is not supposed to be tied to a test score. My opinion is that it would be inappropriate to issue a grade based upon a preliminary score since the OSDE itself does not issue a cut-off score until all results are in. The preliminary score is just a raw score of the number of questions a student marked correctly and is not to be used for any “purpose”. I would recommend that the counselor speak with Joyce DeFehr at the OSDE if they have questions. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>We give the teachers prelim scores for an FYI, but never give grade on, ridiculous.<br> <br></span><span style='color:black'>Our teachers get the eoi preliminary scores and some do give some type of credit for them. It has helped the students have a better idea of how well they did on their EOI’s. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Century Schoolbook","serif"'>We don't do that at my school. We get the raw scores from the test administrator, but I'm not aware that the teachers use them as a grade.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>We were told a few years back that legislators did not want this to happen at all. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Yes, we give the preliminary scores to each of the subject area teachers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>We (and all the test admins/monitors) try to write down the scores. We test by teacher and hour, so they usually provide a roster to keep track. Some use them as a class grade, others use them as incentives/class competition. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans","sans-serif";color:navy'>That is crazy for a couple of reasons: first of all, I don’t agree with teachers giving a grade for testing and second, those are called PRELIMINARY scores for a reason, they are not final. I’m not sure the teachers should even be given the students’ scores. I give the teacher of that subject the preliminary scores but we don’t even tell our students what their score means.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans","sans-serif";color:navy'>Just because it was done in the past doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do and I know it’s hard being the new guy, but sometimes that’s the best time to make changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'>Lisa Nelson</span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'>Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'>Field Coordinator for Student Preparation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7030A0'>580.614.1328<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:lnelson@osrhe.edu"><span style='color:blue'>lnelson@osrhe.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><a href="http://www.okhighered.org/"><span style='color:blue'>www.okhighered.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:blue'>“</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:blue'>There is always a better way…your challenge is to find it.” ~Anonymous</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>