From JDearing at ucok.edu Wed Jul 2 13:49:59 2008 From: JDearing at ucok.edu (JDearing at ucok.edu) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:49:59 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] Fw: Registration for the 2008 SRA Oklahoma Chapter Meeting is Open! Message-ID: All, Please see the link below! Remember early registration closes July 11. Hope to see everyone there!!! SRA International ::Oklahoma Chapter Website Jennie Parker SRA Oklahoma Membership Co-Chair Jennie I. Parker, CRA Assistant Director Office of Research Services University of Oklahoma 731 Elm Avenue, Robertson Hall 134 Norman, OK 73019-2115 phone: (405) 325-6054 fax: (405) 325-6029 email: jiparker at ou.edu http://research.ou.edu/ ----------------------------------------- **CONFIDENTIALITY** -This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080702/cd67f4d7/attachment.html From JDearing at ucok.edu Thu Jul 3 09:39:26 2008 From: JDearing at ucok.edu (JDearing at ucok.edu) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:39:26 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] Fw: [SRAOK-L] Interest in CRA review session Message-ID: See email below. Julie Dearing, M.S. Grant Accountant, Office of Research and Grants Academic Affairs University of Central Oklahoma 100 N. University Drive Box 159 Edmond, OK 73034 Telephone: 405-974-3498 Fax: 405-974-3825 ----- Forwarded by Julie Dearing/Academic Affairs/UCO on 07/03/2008 09:38 AM ----- "Gailey, Jada.Bruner" Sent by: Oklahoma Research Administrators List 07/03/2008 09:37 AM Please respond to Oklahoma Research Administrators List To SRAOK-L at LISTS.OU.EDU cc Subject [SRAOK-L] Interest in CRA review session We have had some interest on our campus in hosting a CRA review session before the December testing period. In order to host a session, we must have 15 people confirmed. The cost is $185. What I would like to know is if there is anyone else in the area who would be interested in attending. I do not have a date in mind at this point. I?m just trying to gauge the interest level before I get too far in the process. You can e-mail me directly at jada.gailey at okstate.edu or give me a call. Thank you, Jada Jada Bruner Gailey, CRA Director University Research Services 212 Cordell North 405-744-9995 jada.gailey at okstate.edu ----------------------------------------- **CONFIDENTIALITY** -This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm just trying to gauge the interest level before I get too far in the process. You can e-mail me directly at jada.gailey at okstate.edu or give me a call. Thank you, Jada Jada Bruner Gailey, CRA Director University Research Services 212 Cordell North 405-744-9995 jada.gailey at okstate.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080703/6f5e6a8a/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Coordinator for Grant Writing and External Funding Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education 655 Research Parkway, Suite 200 Oklahoma City, OK 73104 405-225-9486 lmason at osrhe.edu IP: 164.58.250.178 ________________________________ From: Penny Coggins [mailto:cogginsp at redlandscc.edu] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:35 PM To: Mason, Linda Subject: When is the GWI meeting tomorrow? Penny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080707/7af53281/attachment.html From GCherry at ucok.edu Mon Jul 7 13:13:38 2008 From: GCherry at ucok.edu (GCherry at ucok.edu) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] State Grant Administrators Meeting to be Scheduled in August In-Reply-To: <8775EA78FE232744BC67431D563D6B4A10AF7F@postman1.osrhe.edu> Message-ID: The week of the 11th through the 15th is the big back to school stuff. President and Provost and Office of Research and Grants will have meetings and obligations that week. School starts the 18th. gerry ----------------------------------------- **CONFIDENTIALITY** -This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080707/05fcae7f/attachment.html From JDearing at ucok.edu Mon Jul 7 13:18:48 2008 From: JDearing at ucok.edu (JDearing at ucok.edu) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:18:48 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] State Grant Administrators Meeting to be Scheduled in August In-Reply-To: <8775EA78FE232744BC67431D563D6B4A10AF7F@postman1.osrhe.edu> Message-ID: The SRA Oklahoma Chapter meeting is August 7th and 8th at UCO. Julie Dearing, M.S. Grant Accountant, Office of Research and Grants Academic Affairs University of Central Oklahoma 100 N. University Drive Box 159 Edmond, OK 73034 Telephone: 405-974-3498 Fax: 405-974-3825 "Mason, Linda" Sent by: okgrantsmanship-bounces at lists.onenet.net 07/07/2008 12:39 PM Please respond to Oklahoma regional university administrators and faculty about grantsmanship To "Oklahoma regional university administrators and faculty about grantsmanship" cc Subject [Okgrantsmanship] State Grant Administrators Meeting to be Scheduled in August We will announce the date for the State Grant Administrators Meeting in August. If you have dates that you cannot meet, please let me know. Thanks. Linda Mason, Ed.D. Coordinator for Grant Writing and External Funding Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education 655 Research Parkway, Suite 200 Oklahoma City, OK 73104 405-225-9486 lmason at osrhe.edu IP: 164.58.250.178 From: Penny Coggins [mailto:cogginsp at redlandscc.edu] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:35 PM To: Mason, Linda Subject: When is the GWI meeting tomorrow? Penny_______________________________________________ Okgrantsmanship mailing list Okgrantsmanship at lists.onenet.net http://lists.onenet.net/mailman/listinfo/okgrantsmanship ----------------------------------------- **CONFIDENTIALITY** -This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080707/48161e5e/attachment.html From JDearing at ucok.edu Tue Jul 8 15:26:58 2008 From: JDearing at ucok.edu (JDearing at ucok.edu) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:26:58 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] Opinion Message-ID: Does anyone know about any of the three grant writing workshops listed below OR can anyone recommend a good one that I can suggest to this person? Thanks! Julie Dearing, M.S. Grant Accountant, Office of Research and Grants Academic Affairs University of Central Oklahoma 100 N. University Drive Box 159 Edmond, OK 73034 Telephone: 405-974-3498 Fax: 405-974-3825 ----- Forwarded by Julie Dearing/Academic Affairs/UCO on 07/08/2008 03:25 PM ----- Norman D Nieves/Student Affairs/UCO 07/08/2008 02:59 PM To Julie Dearing/Academic Affairs/UCO at UCO cc Subject Opinion Julie, Good Afternoon. I was wondering if I could get your opinion on grant writing workshops. I have been asked to find a grant writing workshop so that I can learn the ins and outs of grant writing. I have narrowed my search down to the following three. When you get some time, could you peruse the three websites and let me know which one of these might be of benefit to me? I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Norman http://grantwritingusa.com/ http://www.zockgrant.com/ http://www.tgci.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Norman D. Nieves Emergency Management Coordinator Department of Public Safety University of Central Oklahoma 405-974-2219 nnieves at ucok.edu or emergencymanagement at ucok.edu ----------------------------------------- **CONFIDENTIALITY** -This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080708/b3ae56c0/attachment.html From lmason at osrhe.edu Tue Jul 8 15:51:14 2008 From: lmason at osrhe.edu (Mason, Linda) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:51:14 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] Opinion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8775EA78FE232744BC67431D563D6B4A10AFA5@postman1.osrhe.edu> I have heard from participants in the Zock workshop that it was not worth the cost. I have not even heard of the others. I would include consideration of The Grant Institute, Grants 101. The closest location is Kansas City. The fee is $597. For more information call (888) 824 - 4424 or visit The Grant Institute at www.thegrantinstitute.com . I also encourage you to go to the Tulsa Community College website and find one of their workshops on grants. Much less expensive and taught by accomplished grant writers. Linda Mason, Ed.D. Coordinator for Grant Writing and External Funding Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education 655 Research Parkway, Suite 200 Oklahoma City, OK 73104 405-225-9486 lmason at osrhe.edu IP: 164.58.250.178 ________________________________ From: okgrantsmanship-bounces at lists.onenet.net [mailto:okgrantsmanship-bounces at lists.onenet.net] On Behalf Of JDearing at ucok.edu Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:27 PM To: Oklahoma regional university administrators and faculty about grantsmanship Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] Opinion ________________________________ **CONFIDENTIALITY** -This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Spring Street Columbus State Community College Columbus, OH 43216 614.287.2440 614.287.6247 fax sstumpp at cscc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080710/4b90dd54/attachment.html From JDearing at ucok.edu Thu Jul 10 13:49:35 2008 From: JDearing at ucok.edu (JDearing at ucok.edu) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:49:35 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] Fw: [SRAOK-L] SRA Oklahoma Chapter Meeting Registration Message-ID: FYI If any of you are having trouble registering online for the upcoming Oklahoma Chapter meeting this August, please submit your registration via fax. Please use fax #703-741-0142 to submit the registration form. I have notified the SRA Headquarters office that some individuals are having difficulty getting their registration submitted. If any of you continue to have problems, please feel free to call or email me and I will help in any way that I can. 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URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080710/e0aeec43/attachment.html From lmason at osrhe.edu Fri Jul 11 10:07:57 2008 From: lmason at osrhe.edu (Mason, Linda) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:07:57 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] OSRHE Summer Academy Program Message-ID: <8775EA78FE232744BC67431D563D6B4A10B00F@postman1.osrhe.edu> Colleagues and Friends of the OSRHE Summer Academies for Science, Mathematics and Multidisciplinary Studies, As you know this has been a difficult year relative to state funding. This fact plays out at every level of education in Oklahoma and every level of state government. The OSRHE Summer Academy Program did not lose money but neither did we gain any funds. We run a 3 year grant cycle in which each grant runs for three consecutive years. We have 16 2nd year grants and 6 1st year grants running this summer with no grants in their 3rd year and final year. For these reasons, we will not have an RFP (Request for Proposals) for 2008. If all goes as expected, we will be releasing an RFP in 2009 at this time so keep the great ideas hot and be ready to share your wonderful work with the students of Oklahoma. Thanks for all you do, Cindy Cynthia Brown, Ed.D. Director of Student Preparation Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education 405-225-9156 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080711/9209a3d7/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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The survey also shows that women still make far less than men, on average, and that compensation of Hispanic employees rose 23 percent in their average salaries from 2005, to about $71,532. Linda Mason, Ed.D. Coordinator for Grant Writing and External Funding Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education 655 Research Parkway, Suite 200 Oklahoma City, OK 73104 405-225-9486 lmason at osrhe.edu IP: 164.58.250.178 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080711/c9b5567c/attachment.html From lmason at osrhe.edu Wed Jul 23 16:52:50 2008 From: lmason at osrhe.edu (Mason, Linda) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] CRA Review Session Message-ID: <8775EA78FE232744BC67431D563D6B4A10B115@postman1.osrhe.edu> Oklahoma State University will be hosting a Certified Research Administrator's (CRA) Review Session, Monday, September 22, 2008. For registration, you will need to visit Research Administrators Certification Council (RACC) website at: http://www.cra-cert.org/. Linda Mason, Ed.D. Coordinator for Grant Writing and External Funding Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education 655 Research Parkway, Suite 200 Oklahoma City, OK 73104 405-225-9486 lmason at osrhe.edu IP: 164.58.250.178 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/okgrantsmanship/attachments/20080723/288bfd9d/attachment.html From lmason at osrhe.edu Mon Jul 28 15:14:29 2008 From: lmason at osrhe.edu (Mason, Linda) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:14:29 -0500 Subject: [Okgrantsmanship] McCain and Obama on Education Message-ID: <8775EA78FE232744BC67431D563D6B4A10B150@postman1.osrhe.edu> McCain, Obama float education plans Candidates' proposals reveal very different ideas about public schooling By Maya T. Prabhu, Assistant Editor, eSchool News Primary Topic Channel: Federal Policy Both presidential candidates address educational technology, but in very different ways. Presumptive presidential nominees Barack Obama (D) and John McCain (R) have released more details about their education platforms in recent days, with both candidates making technology a focal point of their plans. However, there are stark differences in their proposals that reflect deeply different philosophies about the government's role in education. McCain favors federal funding for virtual schools and online courses as part of a larger focus on school-choice initiatives-including private school vouchers for low-income families. Obama, on the other hand, wants to invest more federal money into research and education for science, math, and technology. McCain revealed details of his education plan in a speech before the NAACP, the nation's oldest civil rights organization, on July 16. He said his plan focuses on strengthening the country's schools through empowering parents and teachers and providing equality of school choice. "For all the best efforts of teachers and administrators, the worst problems of our public school system are often found in black communities," he told the NAACP. McCain added that he supports the Opportunity Scholarship that is offered in Washington, D.C., and uses public money to give private school vouchers to low-income families. Obama opposes private school vouchers. "Too many of our children are trapped by geography and by economics in failing schools," states the McCain campaign's web site. Details of the Arizona senator's education plan appeared on his campaign web site in conjunction with his July 16 speech. According to the site, McCain plans to target $500 million in existing federal funds to build new virtual schools and support the development of online course offerings for students. The plan allots $250 million for states to build virtual math and science academies and another $250 million for digital-passport scholarships. "Low-income students will be eligible to receive up to $4,000 to enroll in an online course, SAT/ACT prep course, credit recovery, or tutoring services offered by a virtual provider," the plan states. Obama also recently posted more details about his education policies on his campaign web site, outlining his plan to invest in the research and development of science, math, and technology education. "We currently make inadequate investments into researching and developing better educational tools and methods," the plan states, noting that less then seven-tenths of one percent of the $400 billion spent on education annually is spent on research and development. "As president, Barack Obama will double our investment in early education and educational [research and development] by the end of his first term in office. Part of this investment will involve [a research and development] program for improving science education." The plan also notes that while jobs in science, math, engineering, and technology fields have increased, the number of students receiving higher-education degrees in those fields has declined. "In the 21st century, everyone needs to know science and math, not only to find employment, but also to be healthy and well-informed citizens," Obama's plan states. "Moreover, over 80 percent of the fastest growing occupations are dependent upon a knowledge base in science and math." At the Association of Educational Publishers' Great American Education Forum held June 6, Obama's education advisor, Jeanne Century, said Obama also intends to push for broadband internet access in all K-12 schools and classrooms. But no mention of this idea appeared in the plan that was posted to Obama's web site as of press time. According to the plan, Obama also intends to focus on recruiting high-quality math and science teachers through a scholarship program. "Barack Obama's Teaching Service Scholarship program will prioritize recruiting math, science, and technology degree graduates. Additionally, Obama's Teacher Residency Program can also supply teachers in these high-needs subject areas," the plan states. Obama expanded on his teacher service scholarship plan during a July 5 speech to delegates from the National Education Association (NEA), the country's largest teacher union. "My plan includes service scholarships to recruit top teachers and residency programs to prepare them to serve in high-need schools," he said to the group via satellite, in accepting its endorsement. "And because too often undergraduate debt discourages our young people from choosing education as a profession, I will make this pledge to all who sign up-if you commit your life to teaching, America will commit to paying for your education." Obama's plan also focuses on ensuring that all children have access to high-quality early childhood education programs and child care, closing the achievement gap, and rewarding expert, accomplished teachers for taking on challenging assignments and helping students succeed. "When our educators succeed, I will not just talk about how great they are, I will reward them for their greatness with better pay across the board and more support," he told the NEA representatives. Supporting higher pay for exemplary performance is one area where the two candidates appear to share common ground, as McCain also called for merit pay for teachers in his speech to the NAACP. It's time to use vouchers and other tools such as merit pay for teachers to break from conventional thinking on educational policy, McCain told the civil-rights group. Noting that Obama has dismissed support for private school vouchers for low-income Americans, McCain added: "All of that went over well with the teachers union, but where does it leave families and their children who are stuck in failing schools? No entrenched bureaucracy or union should deny parents that choice and children that opportunity." Obama has spoken in favor of performance-based merit pay for individual public school teachers before, even telling the NEA the idea should be considered in a speech last year. However, in his July 5 speech to the organization, Obama said he doesn't support merit pay as it is commonly understood-where teachers are rewarded based on how their students perform on standardized tests. "Under my plan, districts will be able to design programs to give educators who serve them as mentors to new teachers the salary increases they've earned. [Districts will] be able to reward those who teach in underserved areas or take on added responsibility. And if teachers learn new skills or serve their students better, or if they consistently excel in the classroom, that work can be valued and rewarded as well," he said. "Now in some places, we've already seen that it's possible to find new ways to increase teacher pay that are developed with teachers, not imposed on teachers," Obama continued, to boos from the audience. "I know this wasn't necessarily the most popular part of my speech last year, but I said it then and I say it again today-because it's what I believe." Material from the Associated Press was used in this report. Links: John McCain's education policy - http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/b9a7c28f-141c-400 8-b724-debd2df51642.htm Barack Obama's education policy - http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/education/ John McCain's NAACP speech - http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/Speeches/611f71e5-0d16-49da-914 a-d741646fa1e2.htm Barack Obama's NEA speech - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQRGpAPnfjE eSN TechWatch newscast with Obama/McCain education advisors - http://www.eschoolnews.tv/Esntv.aspx?Filename=TechWatch708entire_e37fbc7 6-0544-4a90-8366-3880be83a5ab.flv Linda Mason, Ed.D. Coordinator for Grant Writing and External Funding Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education 655 Research Parkway, Suite 200 Oklahoma City, OK 73104 405-225-9486 lmason at osrhe.edu IP: 164.58.250.178 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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