[Oasfaa] [EXTERNAL] Re: <<EXTERNAL E-MAIL>> Higher Education Program and Activity survey

Thu Mar 2 16:16:15 CST 2023

I apologize for not being clear on my remark about context. There is just such a drastic difference between grant aid versus the self-help aid that loans are, and I neglected to ask you about that detail. My undergrad population being as small as it is, we simply don't have much Pell volume, and we do not participate in FWS. However, the costs being what they are to attend OUHSC programs, student loans are an important part of the conversation when it comes to aid, in a general sense.

But if the Regents' concerns lie with the amount of grant aid, and only grant aid, then much of my data is irrelevant.

Thanks, I'll have my best estimation of what I hope will be helpful by tomorrow morning.

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Oasfaa] <<EXTERNAL E-MAIL>> Higher Education Program and Activity survey

The deadline for the survey was February 17, 2023, and only three institutions are still outstanding, thus the others have submitted their responses and found a way to respond.  I gave you the context for the survey and will be glad to review with you if necessary.

Thank you for your efforts on attempting to respond, however, if you aren't comfortable with a response I'll note unable to obtain.  Thank you.

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Subject: <<EXTERNAL E-MAIL>> [Oasfaa] Higher Education Program and Activity survey

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To all my state school friends:

Who all is completing question #3 on the Higher Education Program and Activity survey? I only received it today, and am wrestling with a number of things as I try to catch up and get it turned back in to my admin.

How much projected federal financial aid (work-study, PELL, etc.) has been forfeited as a result of students not completing the FAFSA?

  1.  How on earth are we supposed to project ANYTHING about a population of students for whom we have no information?!

  1.  The question asks about students who didn't complete the FAFSA. Does that mean didn't submit at all? Or, do we also include those who submitted, but didn't confirm eligibility, and thereby didn't complete the entire FAFSA process, because they didn't resolve conflicting information or comment codes?

  1.  If you figured out a method that makes any sense at all, are you willing to share it? I'm really curious about the thought process.

  1.  Are you including loans as well? The examples cited are only FWS and Pell. My Pell population is already small, much less the population who might receive a Pell, if only they'd submitted a FAFSA.

  1.  Does anyone know the context of this? I called Sheri Mauk, and evidently one of the college's presidents made a remark to the Regents about "aid left on the table," by those who didn't complete their FAFSA at their institution. Now the Regents want a comparable figure from all of us. Is the goal trying to arrive at the free aid not taken advantage of? Or is it aid to assist in paying for school, in total? In that case, loans would be important to know. I didn't think ask her that, but I'm happy to call her back.

When I spoke to Sheri, she said that she'd suggested, to one of the institutional folks she talked to, taking the average amount of aid used/taken by students who did submit their FAFSAs, then extrapolate that out to arrive at a total figure for the students who didn't submit a FAFSA.

For me, I suppose I'm going to go with Sheri's line of thought and find the average amount of aid for students who did benefit, then multiply that by the number of students who were enrolled but for whom I don't have Official EFC on an ISIR, or no ISIR at all. In the notes, however, I'm going to provide an average amount of grant aid and a separate average amount of loan funds. I think.

I realize that we aren't comparing one institution with another, or anything remotely like that, but I am curious how you all are tackling this with your populations. With the lack of clarity in the question, I have a feeling this is going to be like one of those painting classes where we all look at the same example picture, but when we work to create our own versions, we're strikingly different in our individual approaches. And none will be wrong, per se, just really different.

Thanks!

Mendy Schmerer, MEd, FAAC(r)
Director, Office of Student Financial Aid | SWASFAA President, 2020 - 2021
University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center
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