From fachesterl at usao.edu Mon Oct 4 12:26:10 2004 From: fachesterl at usao.edu (Lee Hester) Date: Mon Oct 4 12:04:15 2004 Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Echo echo echo.... Message-ID: <000001c4aa37$3d559a80$0a0c000a@ahlab.usao.edu> Hello, is anyone out there? There has been such a dearth of conversation that I am afraid the listserv isn't working properly. If you have received this message, please respond so I'll know it is working. Then I hope we'll get on with our leftover matrix work and move on to forming our Indian Studies association. Thanks, Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/oklahomaindianstudies/attachments/20041004/ce9d734f/attachment.htm From david.hertzel at swosu.edu Mon Oct 4 13:26:03 2004 From: david.hertzel at swosu.edu (Hertzel, David) Date: Mon Oct 4 13:08:07 2004 Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Echo echo echo.... Message-ID: <8004F6943040264EB9953B96D99110C015C4DC@swosu-mbx01.admin.swosu.edu> Lee, I received this message and the previous one as well. Sorry I didn't reply. To this message I'm using the "reply to all" function. Will this go to everyone on the list? I noticed after our meeting that one other group, the History People marked "none" in each category box. My understanding was that they were concerned about administrators pressuring faculty to conform course content and textbooks to a state mandate. How do the others in our group feel about this? David Hertzel Hello, is anyone out there? There has been such a dearth of conversation that I am afraid the listserv isn't working properly. If you have received this message, please respond so I'll know it is working. Then I hope we'll get on with our leftover matrix work and move on to forming our Indian Studies association. Thanks, Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/oklahomaindianstudies/attachments/20041004/fa744d8b/attachment.htm From dnwilliams at lunet.edu Tue Oct 5 12:33:57 2004 From: dnwilliams at lunet.edu (Darnell Williams) Date: Tue Oct 5 12:12:51 2004 Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Re: OklahomaIndianStudies Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 References: <200410051700.i95H0KDR020869@lists.onenet.net> Message-ID: <000601c4ab01$7ea24fe0$df811bac@Lunet.Edu> Lee; This is Darnell Williams at Langston University. I received your message. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: OklahomaIndianStudies Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 > Send OklahomaIndianStudies mailing list submissions to > oklahomaindianstudies@lists.onenet.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.onenet.net/mailman/listinfo/oklahomaindianstudies > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oklahomaindianstudies-request@lists.onenet.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oklahomaindianstudies-owner@lists.onenet.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OklahomaIndianStudies digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Echo echo echo.... (Lee Hester) > 2. RE: Echo echo echo.... (Hertzel, David) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:26:10 -0500 > From: Lee Hester > Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Echo echo echo.... > To: OklahomaIndianStudies@lists.onenet.net > Message-ID: <000001c4aa37$3d559a80$0a0c000a@ahlab.usao.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, is anyone out there? There has been such a dearth of conversation > that I am afraid the listserv isn't working properly. > > > > If you have received this message, please respond so I'll know it is > working. Then I hope we'll get on with our leftover matrix work and move on > to forming our Indian Studies association. > > > > Thanks, > > Lee > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/oklahomaindianstudies/attachments/20041004 /ce9d734f/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:26:03 -0500 > From: "Hertzel, David" > Subject: RE: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Echo echo echo.... > To: "Lee Hester" , > > Message-ID: > <8004F6943040264EB9953B96D99110C015C4DC@swosu-mbx01.admin.swosu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Lee, I received this message and the previous one as well. Sorry I didn't reply. To this message I'm using the "reply to all" function. Will this go to everyone on the list? > > I noticed after our meeting that one other group, the History People marked "none" in each category box. My understanding was that they were concerned about administrators pressuring faculty to conform course content and textbooks to a state mandate. How do the others in our group feel about this? > > David Hertzel > > > Hello, is anyone out there? There has been such a dearth of conversation > that I am afraid the listserv isn't working properly. > > > > If you have received this message, please respond so I'll know it is > working. Then I hope we'll get on with our leftover matrix work and move on > to forming our Indian Studies association. > > > > Thanks, > > Lee > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/oklahomaindianstudies/attachments/20041004 /fa744d8b/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > OklahomaIndianStudies mailing list > OklahomaIndianStudies@lists.onenet.net > http://lists.onenet.net/mailman/listinfo/oklahomaindianstudies > > > End of OklahomaIndianStudies Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 > *************************************************** From CPool at ucok.edu Tue Oct 5 14:05:04 2004 From: CPool at ucok.edu (CPool@ucok.edu) Date: Tue Oct 5 13:44:19 2004 Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Re: OklahomaIndianStudies Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <200410051700.i95H0KDR020869@lists.onenet.net> Message-ID: I have received the emails. Thanks. I will be sending information on our courses at the 3000 and 4000 levels tomorrow. Carolyn Pool From fachesterl at usao.edu Tue Oct 5 16:44:16 2004 From: fachesterl at usao.edu (Lee Hester) Date: Tue Oct 5 16:22:21 2004 Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Good... and getting started Message-ID: <000001c4ab24$762d9e50$0a0c000a@ahlab.usao.edu> Most of you have responded now, so it is clear that everything is working. David Hertzel asked a question about the operation of the listserv whose answer is probably of interest to everyone: Does a "reply all" work to reply to everyone on the listserv? My reading of the Listserv instructions indicates that it isn't supposed to, but it looks as if it actually did when David tried it. In fact, I got two copies of his message --- one addressed directly to me and one addressed to me via the list. Since the instructions don't seem to say this, it could be that they just aren't written well. They seem to indicate that I can set both "reply" and "reply all" to either go only to the original poster or to everyone on the list depending on how I set a parameter in the setup. Clearly it would be best if "reply" only went to the original poster and "reply all" went to everyone. This is so clear, you'd think the programmers would have set it up that way. So I'm hoping that the instructions just got it wrong. The good thing is that it is easy to tell if your "reply all" was sent to everyone, because you will get a copy of it along with everyone else. David also asked everyone what they thought about the possibility of pressure from administrators concerning conformance to a state mandate on course content based on the matrix. I can understand the concern, but my feeling is that it won't happen soon in Indian Studies if at all. I'm not sure what it does beyond insure portability, which is what the matrix is supposed to do anyway. If the issue is whether we might be under pressure to more radically alter courses that have no equivalence so they are brought into equivalence, I can see that this would increase portability. But, I'm not sure what that does beyond help the students and I hate to say it, but I doubt that student convenience is enough to cause many administrators to put much pressure on anything. The fact that we are something of a backwater (until our Association gets the State Regents to see the light), also means that whatever the gain is, it probably won't be worth doing a lot to get Indian Studies to conform. So, I guess I'm not too concerned, but some of you out there may know better. Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/oklahomaindianstudies/attachments/20041005/85e53005/attachment.htm From carolynk at cameron.edu Wed Oct 6 09:37:27 2004 From: carolynk at cameron.edu (Carolyn Kinslow) Date: Wed Oct 6 09:15:31 2004 Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Pressure to Comfom Message-ID: <41640327.7010300@cameron.edu> I'm wondering if anyone on the list has ever been pressured to change classes in other disciplines to conform to the matrix for those disciplines. I have not encountered such pressure, nor have I heard of anyone else encountering it. We are correct in being thoughtful, but I think we also need to acknowledge that a lack of agreement on equivalency could well create enormous problems for students who wish to transfer hours. Additionally, I think we have (wisely) left descriptions general enough to allow for considerable flexibility. Since the process of establishing equivalency has existed for years, it seems reasonable to assume that any problems spawned by it would certainly have come to our attention. However, I may simply be unenlightened; I acknowledge that I am speaking only from my experience at Cameron . If others have had a different experience, I hope they will let us know so that we can make informed decisions. Carolyn Kinslow From HFoley at rsu.edu Wed Oct 6 09:47:48 2004 From: HFoley at rsu.edu (Hugh Foley) Date: Wed Oct 6 09:25:50 2004 Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] It's working on this side of the state Message-ID: <61A315EA4159114F8D4E385477BB243A02F637DA@rsumail.rsu.edu> Hensci. Ce hecares! hf Hi See you later. -----Original Message----- From: oklahomaindianstudies-request@lists.onenet.net [mailto:oklahomaindianstudies-request@lists.onenet.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:00 PM To: oklahomaindianstudies@lists.onenet.net Subject: OklahomaIndianStudies Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 Send OklahomaIndianStudies mailing list submissions to oklahomaindianstudies@lists.onenet.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.onenet.net/mailman/listinfo/oklahomaindianstudies or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to oklahomaindianstudies-request@lists.onenet.net You can reach the person managing the list at oklahomaindianstudies-owner@lists.onenet.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of OklahomaIndianStudies digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Echo echo echo.... (Lee Hester) 2. RE: Echo echo echo.... (Hertzel, David) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:26:10 -0500 From: Lee Hester Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Echo echo echo.... To: OklahomaIndianStudies@lists.onenet.net Message-ID: <000001c4aa37$3d559a80$0a0c000a@ahlab.usao.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, is anyone out there? There has been such a dearth of conversation that I am afraid the listserv isn't working properly. If you have received this message, please respond so I'll know it is working. Then I hope we'll get on with our leftover matrix work and move on to forming our Indian Studies association. Thanks, Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There has been such a dearth of conversation that I am afraid the listserv isn't working properly. If you have received this message, please respond so I'll know it is working. Then I hope we'll get on with our leftover matrix work and move on to forming our Indian Studies association. Thanks, Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cross, Ph.D. Editor, Free Inquiry in Creative Sociology Coordinator, American Indian Studies Program Oklahoma State University Sociology Department Stillwater, OK? 74078-4062 E-mail: jrcross@okstate.edu Phone: 405-744-6126 Free Inquiry Web site: http://sociology.okstate.edu/freeinq/index.html Personal Web site: http://sociology.okstate.edu/faculty/JohnCross.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.onenet.net/pipermail/oklahomaindianstudies/attachments/20041006/e76fd402/attachment-0001.htm From CPool at ucok.edu Wed Oct 6 13:37:09 2004 From: CPool at ucok.edu (CPool@ucok.edu) Date: Wed Oct 6 13:16:08 2004 Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] Re: OklahomaIndianStudies Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200409211700.i8LH0gDR019159@lists.onenet.net> Message-ID: The University of Central Oklahoma offers the following Indian studies courses: History: HIST 2033 The American Indian HIST 4303 Indians of the Southwest English/Literature: ENG 3643 American Indian Literature ENG 4463 Native American Indian Literature Humanities: HUM 3073 Native American Humanities Art: ART 4053 Native American Art Please let me know if you have any questions. Carolyn Pool Department of History and Geography University of Central Oklahoma From fachesterl at usao.edu Thu Oct 7 10:58:59 2004 From: fachesterl at usao.edu (Lee Hester) Date: Thu Oct 7 10:37:17 2004 Subject: [OklahomaIndianStudies] FW: OklahomaIndianStudies Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 Message-ID: <000201c4ac86$8e9e2320$0a0c000a@ahlab.usao.edu> -----Original Message----- From: CPool@ucok.edu [mailto:CPool@ucok.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:37 PM To: oklahomaindianstudies@lists.onenet.net; bhobson@ou.edu Cc: oklahomaindianstudies@lists.onenet.net; oklahomaindianstudies-bounces@lists.onenet.net Subject: Re: OklahomaIndianStudies Digest, Vol 1, Issue 5 The University of Central Oklahoma offers the following Indian studies courses: History: HIST 2033 The American Indian HIST 4303 Indians of the Southwest English/Literature: ENG 3643 American Indian Literature ENG 4463 Native American Indian Literature Humanities: HUM 3073 Native American Humanities Art: ART 4053 Native American Art Please let me know if you have any questions. Carolyn Pool Department of History and Geography University of Central Oklahoma